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this coming from the same person who said this year will be a step back from the previous, Fine is no good......credibility issues at paly here...

I'm amazed that some of you have such in depth knowledge of the bowl selection process. Your insider knowledge is imprressive.

Nine bowls so far this season have had less attendance then this year's maligned by some New Orleans Bowl. These are the Cure Bowl in Orlando, the Carmillla Bowl in Montgomery, the Frisco Bowl. the Bahamas Bowl, Gasparilla Bowl in St. Petersburg, the Idaho Potato Bowl in Boise, the Hawaii Bowl, the Heart of Dallas Bowl and the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit.

Oh good grief. Multiple sources have reported the Indy Bowl wanted to find a P5 to play FSU. Any P5 and they find a way to get out of inviting a CUSA team. Since no P5 was available, the committee at the Indy Bowl wanted a known commodity in USM. The committee is very familiar with USM and I've read committee members didn't want to take a chance on any other CUSA team for reasons of their own. This has been reported by multiple folks from multiple different schools. It's not "speculation." It's not a failure of the CUSA office. It's not some giant conspiracy against NT fans. As for NM verse NO, have you ever been to Albuquerque? There are a lot of great destinations in New Mexico, but Albuquerque isn't one of them. As for the game, you had a 7-5 Colorado State team with no significant wins or a 10-2 Troy team that beat LSU. Causual fans who follow the SEC ALL heard about Troy beating LSU. They might not know what conference Troy is in, but if you watched college football in 2017, you heard about Troy beating LSU. Colorado State, not a lot of coverage for beating San Jose State and New Mexico. Don't give some silly "perception" argument as this season fans who watched ESPN or other sports TV saw that Troy was better in dozens of news stories. Since there never was any option for NT to play a P5 school, Baker took the best available choice. It was the best available team in the best available location.

Will visit Jan 12th. Has several P5 sniffing around right now. Would be a nice land

I was able to make my plans a week out, so unless you already have plans that weekend, that's not an excuse. To say that CUSA has a bad commissioner is an understatement. From bad TV deals to having 4 of your 9 bowl teams play on the first day is a joke. So far, Judy MacLeod is nothing more than Karl Benson reincarnate.

Our bowl situation as a Conference is equal to the SBC and MAC. That’s because we are on the low end of the totem pole, as conferences. Then, the I-Bowl showed us and FAU just how little we mattered by saying we would prefer a bad USM team over y’all because of name recognition and their belief in the Southern Miss fanbase over ours. It was a total slap in the face, even if it was because USM has an AD with more experience than us. CUSA’s commissioner should have made it clear who was going where instead of just shrugging their shoulders and saying, “Oh well...UNT and FAU will get over it.” This is what we face across college football. We are viewed by everyone as being a nobody, a perennial loser, and having no fans. It’s not true anymore, but reality hasn’t overtaken perception yet. And it’s why those on here that hate on the MWC are amongst the most clueless fans out there. We will NEVER go higher if we can’t get away from most of these SBCUSA teams. If we could ever go west with UTEP, UTSA, and Rice, but choose not too, that would be our next I-AA demotion we will have chosen. So pray the Big XII stays together for many more years and makes the MWC go to CUSA West Teams to get Texas exposure again.

I wish some the Gen-Xers understood the importance of honoring your commitments. They're too caught up in themselves and and the attention social media brings them and their egos.

Lots of silly comments on here, but why let the facts get in the way of your on-line narrative. Bowl invites are the product of bowl selection committees, conference affiliation, ticket sales, revenue potential, tv ratings potential, conference politics, program status, and finally a team’s record. The facts remain: The Independence Bowl never extended an invite. Southern Miss is historically better than UNT. 18 consecutive winning seasons. 7 winning seasons out of the last ten. Won the New Orleans Bowl last season. Has played in the NO Bowl 3 times in the last 10 years. LA Tech played in the NO Bowl two seasons ago. An Army rematch at the Armed Forces Bowl wasn’t in anyone’s best interest. So that left a choice between New Mexico and New Orleans. The “we should have waited” crowd are ignoring the reality that the conference has to play nice with its bowl partners, and the school has to play nice with the conference. Waiting would have probably looked like this; NO Bowl invites Marshall, New Mexico takes LA Tech. UNT is then on the clock for the Frisco Bowl. The Inpendence Bowl is telling the room they are only taking Southern Miss, and UTSA is ready to accept the Frisco invite. UNT folds and accepts the Frisco invite. The haters on this board are still going to scream, we still should have waited and forced the i-bowl to pick us. In the process burning every conference and bowl bridge along the way.

Just a second. The HOD wasn't a CUSA bowl this year, it was the Armed Forces instead.

I would’ve been able to make the HoD, Indy, etc but couldn’t make NOLA. It’s an awful weekend and too early to make advance plans. A lot of our fans clearly felt the same way. It’s a bottom five bowl no matter how you slice it, and we had no business playing in it, especially against desperate programs like Troy with a dangerous team. CUSA has a really bad commissioner. AAC’s “P6” thing is dumb but they have a commissioner who is making that perception reality. Meanwhile, our passive commissioner is letting our division champs play MAC and CUSA scrubs. Perception is reality.

CUSA has the HOD spot back next year I believe. That should be the goal against hopefully a P5 team. You know, unless we make our College Football Playoff debut.

This board is turning into yelp reviews.

We haven’t offered but the kid tweeted he was interested in UNT Because of Martin https://t.co/L0A28HyFph https://247sports.com/Player/Garrison-Johnson-46036011 3* RB (.8466) that is 5’11 210 according to 24/7 with offers from Nebraska, SMU and interest from Arkansas, A&M, UH.. A kid to watch

Has another offer from ULL, Rhode Island. Mid-Year transfer as well. His tape says he is 6’2 230 As well. https://t.co/aFCrFrEMum https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Tyree-Thompson-114498/RecruitInterests not ranked yet.

https://247sports.com/player/keith-williams-78966 Holds several offers -- noteworthy ones include UMass, Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee, and UNLV.

Do we have a dominant player on the Defensive side of the ball? I hope English will be. If this happens everybody will be a lot better. Plus we can have a strong rotation. I think we have to have some size at linebacker in the middle and it looks like it will be a JUCO! Yes the D will be better! English “ Stay healthy my friend.”

Actually, I think he pretty well nailed how the process works. Speculation is by everyone else. I would imagine we could have chosen NM Bowl. I think 90% of people like NO over NM. Better destination, more history with the bowl. I can' imagine we'd have had 500 people in NM. But I do agree CSU would have been a more beatable opponent.

FSU was the program the Indy Bowl wanted. They’re the blue blood P5 program that fell into the committee’s lap. They didn’t care about appeasing any of the CUSA backups to fill slots. CUSA is not a primary tie to this bowl. FSU had plenty of influence in this situation. Saying they didn’t doesn’t make it so.

This is certainly good news for both NT and Troy. They showed they will travel to a bowl game despite scheduling challenges. That makes both of us more attractive in the future. The Indy and HOD bowls made it clear to our athletic department they were not going to invite us. We did NOT choose New Orleans over either one. I wish that fiction would stop. USM didn't somehow cast a magic spell - the Indy bowl wanted to wait to see if a P5 school, ANY P5 school, would be available. If not, they planned early to ask USM and NOT either FAU nor NT.

VBall was the biggest because they took down a ranked team, to win the championship for the regular season.

The Standard!

Because you were there and have the inside information, I presume?

A) None of this is true B)Our AD actually has more experience. But carry on being a jack@$$

MW is a clear step up from CUSA. It has to be our goal. Only small time thinkers wanting to drive to San Antonio and Ruston will argue. Go to games on Friday nights for your regional rivalries. MW membership would require a higher commitment. Let’s do it! It may not be what is best for your personal preferences, but it is definitely what is best for NT.

My old college roommate & I were almost out of Apogee when we heard the crowd noise on the play right before Lawrence's clutch catch. We quickly came back inside near the Wing Zone & were not believing what we were seeing & fixin' to see. Not sure any offensive drive I saw for any UNT football game since 1973 was as exciting. I mean you had to be near the Wing Zone to see grown men from all decades on the Apogee mezzanine acting like school girls at a Taylor Swift concert after that game winning catch. (I'm still not sure how Mason Fine ever got rid of that ball looking at how UTSA blitzed). GMG!

No problem with the girls taking #1. I too would have flipped SA and Army.

I agree. We need 8-4, 9-3 seasons on the regular for awhile. 5 years at a minimum.

Outside of Fine and Wilson, easily the most consistent offensive player we have. Fun to watch and easy guy to root for.

Fact - you don't know anything about the scheme or football Fact- comment was appropriate

DRC: A look at the numbers, what went right, what went wrong http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/mean-green/2017/12/28/unt-postseason-questions-series-no-1-will-mean-greens-defense-improve

Yeah, mingling amongst programs like Troy who can barely keep their head above water makes us look football stupid. When’s the last time UH has played a SBC school in a bowl?

VBall game had more than 250-500, capacity is around 700.. We can say it’s discounted but it it was way more packed than Apogee has ever been.. but they flat out won a championship vs a ranked team while our FBALL gets bent over on the national stage..

Seriously, had we beaten Troy in New Orleans, would this conversation have a different tone?

Army's offense is hard to stop, you have to outscore them. SDSU usually has a pretty good defense (Rocky Long). They could not stop the Army rushing attack. Army just wore SDSU down. How good was that win over Army?

R u a dentist office receptionist? I think that is what is being implied here....nothing wrong with working in a dentist office

I was one of this grown men in the wing jumping up and down screaming and hugging strangers. Top 5 sports moments I have witnessed for sure

FFR and I were a couple of those grown men (not acting like school girls) standing in the wingzone portal and looking on in disbelief (and ultimately delight) at the last play of the game. I've gone to North Texas games on a regular basis sometime during the 1976 season. The 75 Tennessee game (which I didn't attend) with it's kick-off-return-winning-play ranks up there in excitment with the UTSA and Army games. I will have to respectfully disagree with your professional opinion on this issue. And my reason for that is that by the time we played Army our fan expectation (at least mine anyway) was that North Texas was never going to be out of any game as long as we were within a touchdown of winning, and we had at least one minute on the clock. The UAB and UTSA games did that for us. We finally have a player on the North Texas team that shows up with his (metaphorical) "I didn't come here to lose" t-shirt on under this football uniform. AND he has infected many of his teammates with the same philosophy/attitude. (Well, the offense anyway). And this infection is starting to spread to the fan base. Which is why, with a little more than a minute on the clock in the Army game, just after Army scored to go ahead, myself and FFR and Emmitt said to the Army fans sitting around us....."you scored too soon.......we have more than enough time to score". How many times in the History of North Texas football have fans had that level of confidence/attitude? Thank goodness we have two more years of someone infecting future starters (and fans) with a "I didn't come here to lose" attitude/belief. BTW, Mason Fine was in charge of the final drive in the UTSA game, but the glory should be equally shared with Lawrence and Bussy. Fine threw to a spot, but it was those two receivers that (with extraordinary effort) took it from there.

This is what you said, and this is to what I initially responded: Apparently you forgot what you said? Do we really have to go through this again?

I love VBall and as VBall goes that WKY win was great. But the Army and UTSA games had what...200 times more in attendance than the V ball game, thus 200 times more excitement? You cannot compare the two. Rick

Apparently Deion Sanders Roomate from his time at FSU, believe someone with the last name Copeland.. he was from the Fisher staff and is staying on with the new coach as well.

I think Fry was moreso looking at the UH model of going Independent rather than copycatting anything happening with the outgoing members of the Missouri Valley Conference. That group from the Mo' Valley had good basketball, but would not come close to anything the Coogs did in football & basketball after they left the MVC in 1960. The 60's & 70's were 2 good decades for Cougar football & basketball & as a kid in that part of Texas UH was the college athletic program I followed in the 60's. Still I think Fry had in mind building something similar to the Cougars which had DKR & UT making noises about sponsoring UH for SWC membership as early as 1968. *Fry's 1'st season coaching the Mean Green was in 1973. Although UH had been voted into the SWC in 1970 the Coogs would not be eligible to play for a football championship until 1976. Many frustrated UH fans could not believe why such a long wait. Indy was a tough route alright but was never mean't to be a permanent home for UH athletics as I don't think it would have been a permanent athletic home for NTSU had Fry stayed. Back in the 60's UH AD Harry Fouke had a plan & he worked his plan all the way to SWC membership (albeit the SWC would implode in due time). UNT's plan was interrupted by Fry leaving for the Big 10 & then UNT waving the white flag in 1982 & going down a level to NCAA 1-AA (which for all practical purposes was our only choice if we were to keep football). Some of you will remember the hastily called meeting that Bill Vogel called many of us at out offices to attend; that is the meeting he put together for Dr. Hurley & his staff. It was an unusual meeting to say the least. Yes, Fry could exaggerate & spin a tall Texas tale with the best of them alright. You kind of knew when to laugh when he spat those off knowing full well they were quite fictional. The most amazing thing Fry did in Denton IMHO was recruit some pretty good D1 talent with the worse on-campus athletic facilities in the state of Texas. He knew how to close the deal much like many of us are seeing glimpses that our present staff has begun to do the same. GMG!

North Texas could have done more in New Orleans, but lets face it - the weekend was rough from a timing perspective. I thought the NOB had more atmosphere than some of what I have been watching. We just need a bowl game, any bowl game first. Followed by a bowl game in our region. Let's win the West again and keep on beating down those championship doors. This Florida State speed kills. GMG

Not good that CUSA has ties in to a majority of those bowls

Troy is a better team than FSU also. Just nobody knows it. Sucks.

This is a bittersweet watch for me. This is the one I really wanted... would love to be there right now watching us take our shot at Florida State.

It sure should! Can't really have a guy who had this much production and keep him without a ship. It would set a really demotivating example to the future walk-ons.

Ok let’s hear your defensive breakdown. How do we call strength? What are the keys/reads? How do you line up to various formations? And what are your credentials we are all waiting.

It’s great to see the SMU ticket counter has an off season job