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He outperformed a 5-year Alabama back-up and helped to post wins for a team that had a disastrous season the year prior. As a freshman. I'd say he accomplished something.

Here we go again dissing CUSA's All Conference Frosh' 1'st Team QB.

I dont know if Vito has said this Lately but He was the HOD Bowl MVP

Finally, he can be Colonel Applewhite.

A snap from under center on short yardage. Rick

We'll be paying LSU and Alabama to come to Apogee because they need the money.

This is, sadly, how things work these days. And it isn't limited to sports. ONE person says something and it turns into: "Liberals (or conservatives) are losing their minds over this..." or "(Insert a movement or group) is disrespecting America (or women, or minorities, or whatever)" or "(Insert school) fans are the worst in the country" It is so much easier, and lazier, to categorize whole groups of people than it is to know them individually. I've done it.

I donated to this cause, and I know of three others who have as well. I called Mike Smith and he took care of it for me as he did at least one other person I know. We bought tickets which will be given away to students on campus at various events and points around campus. If you do want to participate just call Mike, tell him how many if the $20 student tickets you wish to donate and give him your credit card number. Done! Easy!

I think we'll start this newcomer: Eric Dohmpson

I don't know that Tee will ever get his s together. For his own sake, I hope he does. If players don't understand the reason for the dismissal, they are either dillusional or are too close to Goree and the other kid to be objective. Give it a year in their rear view and they will have a different perspective.

How many CUSA teams led the nation with their QB being sacked the most many times before he even had time to set & pass? In 40 plus years of watching MG football Mason Fine is one of the most promising talents we've had at QB. We have deficiencies in other areas I hope we address this recruiting season.

Credit to reddit. Can't quote on phone: Kiffin said he had other opportunities to get into head coaching — he previously led Tennessee, USC and the Oakland Raiders — but had Houston at the top of his list. “Well, not the top of my real list,” he said. “There are obviously a ton of other jobs in legit conferences I’d want first. But I can’t get those right now because of how poorly I did at Tennessee and USC. I need to reset and start at a second-rate program like this, win a little bit and then get one of those good jobs. And Houston was definitely at the top of my list of second-rate jobs to springboard off of. No doubt.” Kiffin said he consulted with Alabama head coach Nick Saban on the decision to pursue the Houston job. “Obviously, if you want advice on how to jump from job to job and look out only for yourself, Coach Saban is your first call,” he said. “And Coach said this was exactly the kind of job he’d look to take for two years before moving on if he was in my situation. So that sealed it for me. I’m excited to get to Houston, rent a house, chase some tail and win enough games to get the hell out of there as quickly as possible.”

http://ccsportstalk.podbean.com/e/unt-athletic-director-wren-baker/ Great interview of Wren Baker. I think the future is very bright under his leadership.

I think it was apparent that Delaware State is not a good team. However, I think you still have to give the Mean Green credit for giving up only three points through the first 11.5 minutes of the second half. The Hornets could not maneuver through our trap defense or make shots all night. Holston and Draper were fun to watch at the end. I think Holston's first highlight dunk was the most monstrous dunk I've seen in three years as a student here. #SCTop10 for sure!

Fine, if we play to win. Plus, he was the the QB when we kicked Army's teeth in last time.

Let's compare Fine's stats with the freshman stats of Nick Mullens, a top C-USA QB: Mullens: PASSING STATS SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR 2013 136 276 1776 49.3 6.44 81 13 14 25 108.7 27.1 21.1 RUSHING STATS YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD 2013 USM 40 -103 -2.6 13 2 Fine: PASSING STATS SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR 2016 155 261 1572 59.4 6.02 75 6 5 36 113.7 39.5 30.9 RUSHING STATS YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD 2016 UNT 94 118 1.3 80 2 Of course, all those sacks Mason took factor into those stats. But if you want to go "by the numbers," there's no reason why he couldn't be a better QB his senior season than Mullens has been his.

Welcome to the board Ms. Morris. Which stat tipped you off? The lower completion percentage, the lower yards per attempt, or the lower rating? You already mentioned the one more pick. Not saying it is by much, but I think your statement is false.

I didn't read every post in this thread...but you have to admit that the folks who decided that putting these two teams back together for a rematch wildly missed the mark. Maybe it was all that was left and we got it by default? The New Years date GREATLY helped our attendance in 2014 and the so close to Christmas date, 5-7 and rematch are going to really work against us having a repeat of 2014. I don't think that says anything horribly bad about our fan base to any bowl committees if we don't bring 38k fans back out this year. I think our New Orleans Bowl attendance in the early aughts and 2014 HOD speak for themselves. UNT fans support good teams in bowl games. We've demonstrated that repeatedly now. This UNT team isn't very good and the opponent is an absolute whiff (no disrespect to Army as I believe that if this was the 1st time we faced them this year it would be a GREAT opponent). I think we drew 18-20k in Texas Stadium when we last played Army there in the 90s in the regular season. They don't travel particularly well, but maybe they'll do better for a bowl game? Either way, I expect attendance numbers in the same ballpark for this one. And it WILL NOT kill our reputation. I went to the Alamo Bowl back when RG3 won the Heisman. The University of Washington was the opponent and they could not have had more than 5k there--and that's giving them a lot of credit. That was in a tourist town and for a P5 team that's supposed to travel. Lots of P5 teams don't travel to bowls as well as we've demonstrated that we do. By comparison we always brought at least 2-3 times that amount (in actual butts) every time we traveled to New Orleans. Before you say that New Orleans is a better destination, just look at the opponent attendance at every New Orleans bowl we played in. We ALWAYS outdrew the opponent. So, I don't buy that this is the end of the world for UNT. All that said, it undoubtedly makes us look all the better if we somehow bring 25k+ to support a 5-7 team, against a rematch opponent that we spanked, and 2 days after Christmas.

did you see his 80 yd TD....pulling away from the DB.......he has more potential than I have seen around here in a long time

The week after his injury he was suited up and throwing on the sidelines. The injury happened on November 12, the game is played a month and a half later. If he does not start, I would say it is more of a coach's decision than an injury situation. That said, if everyone is healthy, give me MF!

RIP Houston football. We hardly knew ye.

I want to see more Split back Gun from us. It is Deadly. We can run stretch either way and it still allows for 3 WR stuff. Easy capability to swing both backs out and get a possible mis match. This is all dependent on Wilson being healthy obviously. Even Tucker who should be good to go makes that an option. What I don't want to see is a bunch of stuff where we try and run up the middle, that isn't this teams strength and I can only recall 2 TD's all year that hit between the Tackles. Most of our good run game is on the edge. What do yall think?

Just because we bring up valid points doesn't mean you have to get upset. These are legit worries, and reason as to why Fine shouldn't be expected to start the HoD. We just think he isn't up to speed or brings the passing ability of Morris. Rotate them and play them both, but it shouldn't be 1 QB show.

1. 2nd and less than 6 2. 3rd and less than 3 3. No drive killing penalties 4. No drives with zero first downs

Since y'all asked about two back sets, h-back, zone runs, run options and whatnot Did I miss anything? A play we ran a lot this year, that saw many of Thaddeous' targets (spring game) This also is where a TE would also line up (here we see Kelvin Smith) and running backs can release for a pass based on protection/what they see

Hire an up-and-coming Coordinator to be their next HC. It's worked for them pretty well over the past 10+ years dating back to Briles. Why stop now? This is the hire I expected.

He simply meant how will we expand Apogee to 80,000 seats once we move to the Big 12.

Didn't mean it as a dig. I meant it seriously. As much as you critique it would be interesting to see how successful you'd be. It is always easier on the outside. That isn't defending a coach, thats as a fan. This team was worse than most FCS schools this year and yet somehow this staff found a way to get them to 5-7. I still can't believe they got there. Fine needs to improve on things absolutely. But, getting more than the snap of the ball to make a read would be very helpful in seeing what he could truly do. IMO

I, for one, think Mason will show major improvement next year. The kid is a smart competitor and works as hard, if not harder, than any of the other players. I'm doubling down on Fine. *He's also my adopted player

I was pleasantly surprised how well we broadcast (stream) games compared to others in CUSA, we really have a great crew. I had a great viewing experience watching the game on the TV. I have the CUSA streaming package, I play it on my iPad and then use airplay to my Apple TV. You cant get better than Dave and Hank. Dave really calls a great game and Hank transitioned into the color commentator role nicely. I'd never thought I would have to compare TV crews but its not even close to how much better our TV crew is, some of those football games we watched were unwatchable. Finally, I'm liking the in-game product. The lights seem to only be on the court and the music seems to be better.

Draper picks up the loose ball and takes it to the hole for the hoop and the harm. Crowd goes crazy. 68-34; 3:45 and Draper at the line. Light the tower. 73-40 is the final.

Everyone who thinks we would have won 5 games without Mason Fine please raise your hand.

He played SMU (not bowling), USM, and an atrocious UTEP team who he didn't do a thing to until their backups backup was playing. Look neither was stellar, both have holes in their game. However Mason has proven time and again he makes more plays consistently. Defenses faced by each QB in order of overall a Ranking 5 Army - Mason 6 Florida - Mason 18 Southern Miss - Alec 37 WKU - Mason injury leading to Alec 58 UTSA - Mason 70 La Tech - Mason 72 UTEP - Alec 92 MTSU - Mason 102 SMU - Alec 105 Marshall - Mason 123 Rice - Mason Positive note our our defense finished 79th and these rankings include every statistical category possible. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p2

Well we don't know much of the staff, briefly introduced to the head coach, we spent most of the time with Coach Choice and Coach LeBlanc. Those two were great! Overall I get the feeling that these players are extremely happy with their coaches and enjoy playing for them

Donated 2 Ill watch you guys on TV while im an ice cube here in SD...

Alec Morris was a grad transfer who started much earlier than Fine. He was here for all of spring ball and had all of summer to work out and throw with WR. He had ample opportunity to win the job and he lost it.

how many other schools in cusa started a freshman qb for the majority of the year?

They should be more concerned with the beat down we gave them at home.

So they lied?

Haha! I know, I know... I'm a bad, bad alumni. :) In theory, I like the idea of giving the university more of my money. I certainly give them more than most alumni every year through my MGC donation and hundreds of dollars in purchases in food and clothing at the games throughout the season. However, there are too many unknowns to the bowl game seating arrangements for my liking. So for my own piece of mind, I need to know exactly what I'm paying for when I buy tickets.

invite Donald Trump to do the coin-flip. That might bring up attendance.

To me it has to do with the date change. New Years day adds 10K. Is hard to get a kitchen pass to leave the family holiday to travel to a game the next day... While I hope two days adds a few it is still a work day where one has to take a vacation day instead of heading down to the game on a day off. My guess is we will end up between 28-32K total and that is only because we are a local team. Date played Winning team Losing team Attendance 1-Jan-11 Texas Tech 45 Northwestern 38 40,121 2-Jan-12 Houston 30 Penn State 14 46,817 1-Jan-13 Oklahoma State 58 Purdue 14 48,313 1-Jan-14 North Texas 36 UNLV 14 38,380 26-Dec-14 Louisiana Tech 35 Illinois 18 31,297 26-Dec-15 Washington 44 Southern Miss 31 20,229

Who's the homeless guy in the green shorts?

I sure do. I was in a PhD program from 2005 to 2010 and then a post-doc year in 2011. It was joy to watch the program grow into a regular 20+ win team with regular NCAA tourney appearances...and 4000+ in attendance at its peak with even more with a quality P5 opponent. My daughter and I probably missed 10 games total from 2005 to 2011. We were pit crew all the way with the crazy green hair, t-shirts, etc. I thought when I moved from Denton that our bball program was all set, and I was proud of the minor role we played in the team's success via our consistent attendance and support. So sad to see where it is now.

Thanks guys!

I won't be able to hear him so I'm not curious at all. ?

Whoever said or wrote that doesn't know anything about the Honor Code. "A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do." Nothing there about post-game behavior.

We saw 4 years of Mc recruiting and we have seen 3-4 months of Seths. Only someone with a preconceived opinion can make a comparison of the 2 being comparable. Oh and he will be let go in a few years? Get a life!

Whatever motivates them I guess. Our players went over to the cadets and slapped hands after the game so it's not like our guys were acting terrible...

You know what they say, Plumm. "The older the violin, the sweeter the music."