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Recent Publicity On The Transgender Homecoming Court Will it cost us in recruiting??

#46 User is offline   CaribbeanGreen 

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE(TheTastyGreek @ Nov 18 2009, 04:10 PM) View Post
I believe we have a winner!


TheColonyEagle has a point, and it's exactly what I first thought as well... just stop running King & Queen as a couple, hold individual elections like every other school I'm aware of, and done. In fact, not realizing how big this thing would get and having some time to kill on campus, I made this suggestion two weeks ago on the NT Daily website in response to the editorial board endorsing voting "YES". However, that was not a suitable solution for those who disagreed with the SGA's initial decision. For perspective, here are some reader comments from the Daily's website on why the split vote wasn't acceptable:

Jake R. says:
November 18, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Because to those who it really affects and opens doors for, deciding to revert back to individuals running for homecoming court is the same as saying, “Now that it’s a big issue, I’m uncomfortable with handing out equal opportunity for all so we’re going to SWEEP this under the rug, IGNORE the civil liberties issue altogether, and HALT this particular kind of advancement for LGBT people at UNT.” Homecoming is such a simple thing. If equal opportunity can’t be given on that stage, I wonder where my equal opportunity will be forbidden next at this university. Why should I not want equal opportunity at any and every level? If LGBT people and our friends cease asking and/or demanding our equality at the smallest levels, we might as well start giving away what little rights the majority of Americans have ‘blessed’ us with because those rights are small too. Long before homecoming courts were a tradition, it was an American tradition to spred the equality, equal rights and protections, and equal opportunity to the next Americans who were denied and LGBT people should take equality like a flag of a nation that is rightfully ours too.

Luke says:
November 3, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Splitting the couple vote fixes nothing. Gay copules should be able to run because as a school we shouldn’t be saying gay couples cannot represent UNT. The idea that a man and a woman are the only or better choice for a family is demonstrably false as well as offensive

Luke says:
November 3, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Also, the idea that gays are represented by running as a heterosexual pairing is blatantly false. We need to allow gays to run as same sex pairs so that we are not continually stating that heterosexual pairs are superior.

Luke says:
November 3, 2009 at 7:18 pm
CG, a split run still sends the mesage that heterosexual couples are the only couples that represent UNT because it is a heterosexual pairing. So a agy man and gay woman winning still sends the message that it takes a man and a woman to be a couple that represents UNT. This is exclusionary and false. Letting same sex couples run is the only non exclusionary choice.

People fighting for gay rights aren’t trying to win a game. They are trying to get rights that gays already are entitled to

David S says:
November 3, 2009 at 8:59 pm
The number of articles on this issue should be indicative of how strongly people feel about this, and hashing things out is anything but an “epic timewaste”. In fact, I think it’s obscene to call it an epic timewaste considering that this is taking place within the context of a society which inflicts institutionalized oppression against queer people.

As I said in another thread CG, your “split vote” compromise changes absolutely nothing. The argument that your proposed gender binary is the only way to properly represent the student population at UNT does not reflect reality. Folks who do not fit neatly into these categories simply want the opportunity to represent alternative forms of human expression. And as long as forces exist which seek to actively suppress these alternative forms of human expression, there will be conflict. Keep in mind that the very notion of queer identity wouldn’t exist had it not been at least in part for the collective realization of a group of folks with a common interest that they’re all being screwed over for the same reason.


Please understand, I don't consider myself to be anti-gay. And though I disagree with this whole thing, I realize that I can't possibly appreciate the perspective that has led certain people to feel the way they do. My distaste for the whole thing is simply the making of an issue for the sake of making an issue. There is no actual "progress" to be gleaned from such an insignificant, trivial thing, and I feel the whole thing is a waste of time, energy, and advantageous timing. Protesting for gay marriage - I get that. Protesting for partner's benefits - absolutely. But this, IMHO, is missing the point, and was compounded by an impotent SGA and scared or oblivious administration... because no matter how silly you think it all is, it's the biggest story about our university in a while, and it sticks to the name and the degree - at least for a little while. Do I think it hurts recruiting?? HA. We could have an all male sailor-themed baby oil party in the Union every Friday night and it wouldn't hurt recruiting more than Football Trilli has. I am, however, concerned about the potential impact on older alums and certain potential donors... I think it's a foolish time to take an insignificant moral stand that risks alienating some important people, especially given UNT's position.

On the other hand, it could be exciting that a couple of kick-ass frat dudes could now run together for the hell of it. Or a pair of smokin' hot chicks, fresh from the sorority house pillow fight.


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Posted 18 November 2009 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE(UNT90 @ Nov 18 2009, 09:15 PM) View Post
Really? Tell that to the co-worker I brought to the Ohio and WKU games (luckily). The one who was contemplating buying season tickets for his family of 4. The one who told me that he doubts that will happen now.
But, hey, who needs them, right?


If that really tipped the scale then I feel sorry for your co-worker.

This thread is a massive pile of thinly veiled homophobic over exaggeration.

Hey, hey guess what.

In the grand scheme of things, none of this matters. It's same gender'd individuals running for a meaningless title - it's freaking transient kitsch, not the bloody Cuban Missile Crisis. God.

Speaking of topics shoehorned into the Football Forum only to increase views.... HOW BOUT THAT WIN OVER UTA!!!2!

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(Green P1 @ Jan 12 2009, 10:39 AM) I happen to believe that Rodge would have been a damn fine QB and if he wouldn't have been I'd have taken my lumps.....

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 10:42 PM

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Hey, kid, didn't you hear about UNT? What a joke that school must be! Not only that gay homecoming thing, but they've got an unofficial mascot that's an albino squirrel! Heck, kid, they couldn't even get a gray squirrel! It's an albino, just like that creepy killer with the chains and stuff in The DaVinci Code! Did you see that movie? I don't know if any of that stuff in that movie was true, but there's one thing that you can take to the bank: You don't want to meet some hot girl at a party and tell her you play football for a gay colorless self-flagellating squirrel school, do you? I mean, I know I wouldn't. So what say, kid? Can we count on you?

In the long and stupid history of stupid, this thread qualifies as really stupid.


Nope. I don't even think there will be need for that long of a speech. How about 'Hey kid, how you gonna get laid with a 2-8 record? Lol, I'm kiddin, son. I know you aren't even thinking about considering that place. "

QUOTE(UNT90 @ Nov 18 2009, 09:15 PM) View Post
Really? Tell that to the co-worker I brought to the Ohio and WKU games (luckily). The one who was contemplating buying season tickets for his family of 4. The one who told me that he doubts that will happen now.

But, hey, who needs them, right?


Right. We are just going to have to wait for the new stadium. Can't compete on football quality with TV, TCU, SMU, and high school football as competitors. Can't compete on game experience while sitting on bird crap stained, hard seats with a poor sightlines. Even though tix are cheap we can't compete on price when the drive to Denton is perceived as taking a road trip. Also, its not like they make make out with a dude before you watch the game. That is a terrible reason. Sounds like he was looking for an excuse to get you off his case about buying season tickets already.

QUOTE(greeninok @ Nov 18 2009, 09:59 PM) View Post
Have you ever thought that maybe of these recruits may have a gay person in their family, say a mom or dad. Hmm, now how would that make that recruit feel, i betcha they wouldn't
attend that school.....


Yeah. Cuz we are the only school that doesn't allow gays n stuff. They can't even have clubs or nuthin.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 10:59 PM

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We could have an all male sailor-themed baby oil party in the Union every Friday night and it wouldn't hurt recruiting more than Football Trilli has.


You, sir, just made my signature.


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We could have an all male sailor-themed baby oil party in the Union every Friday night and it wouldn't hurt recruiting more than Football Trilli has.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE(TheColonyEagle @ Nov 18 2009, 04:08 PM) View Post
I want the university to elect a Common Sense Panel....

I want the University to elect a panel with some balls (no pun intended) to stand up to the overly actvist student.

QUOTE(TheColonyEagle @ Nov 18 2009, 04:08 PM) View Post
Who cares? Just do away with the "couple" requirement. Then a gay dude and a gay girl can run. What am I missing?


Thank you.


QUOTE(Censored by Laurie @ Nov 18 2009, 05:34 PM) View Post
Thank you, sir...I was quite proud of that one-liner and thought it would derail the homophobia-train.

Sadly...


Get a damn grip. This is not about "homophobia" Why do we have to have a "gay" homecoming court? If this passes, I will demand an all black homecoming court, and all white homecoming court, and all Latino homecoming court, and all Asian homecoming court, an all greek homecoming court, and an all residence hall homecoming court. I mean after all, we have to have EQUAL opportunity, right?


QUOTE(Green P1 @ Nov 18 2009, 10:37 PM) View Post
Hey, hey guess what.

In the grand scheme of things, none of this matters. It's same gender'd individuals running for a meaningless title - it's freaking transient kitsch, not the bloody Cuban Missile Crisis. God.


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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE(Rudy @ Nov 18 2009, 11:36 PM) View Post
Get a damn grip. This is not about "homophobia" Why do we have to have a "gay" homecoming court? If this passes, I will demand an all black homecoming court, and all white homecoming court, and all Latino homecoming court, and all Asian homecoming court, an all greek homecoming court, and an all residence hall homecoming court. I mean after all, we have to have EQUAL opportunity, right?


You do realize that latino, black, etc. couples are all able to run for homecoming court under the current rules, right? You are aware that what you're "demanding" is already possible, right?


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We could have an all male sailor-themed baby oil party in the Union every Friday night and it wouldn't hurt recruiting more than Football Trilli has.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:44 PM

QUOTE(TheTastyGreek @ Nov 18 2009, 11:38 PM) View Post
You do realize that latino, black, etc. couples are all able to run for homecoming court under the current rules, right? You are aware that what you're "demanding" is already possible, right?

But what about an interspecies couple, like a man and his favorite sheep?
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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:51 PM

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But what about an interspecies couple, like a man and his favorite sheep?


That would be MTSU's Homecoming.

I can't believe I just posted in this thread. I feel dirty.


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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:51 PM

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That would be MTSU's Homecoming.

I can't believe I just posted in this thread. I feel dirty.



It's like trying to pull something out of a tar pit. Good luck getting back out again.


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QUOTE(CaribbeanGreen @ Nov 18 2009, 10:28 PM) View Post
We could have an all male sailor-themed baby oil party in the Union every Friday night and it wouldn't hurt recruiting more than Football Trilli has.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:54 PM

Hall of Fame worthy?
(Green P1 @ Jan 12 2009, 10:39 AM) I happen to believe that Rodge would have been a damn fine QB and if he wouldn't have been I'd have taken my lumps.....

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE(KingDL1 @ Nov 18 2009, 11:44 PM) View Post
But what about an interspecies couple, like a man and his favorite sheep?


If a tuition-paying sheep in good academic standing wants to run for homecoming court... I honestly don't give a crap. Because it's HOMECOMING COURT. Maybe at Western Kentucky, a farm animal could get enough fraternity votes to win an election... But I doubt it ever happens here. And even if it does, it's HOMECOMING COURT - freakin' transient... Never mind.


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We could have an all male sailor-themed baby oil party in the Union every Friday night and it wouldn't hurt recruiting more than Football Trilli has.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE(Green P1 @ Nov 18 2009, 09:54 PM) View Post
Hall of Fame worthy?


If we all continue to synchronize our respective ideological outrages so well, I'm thinking Gold Medal all the way.


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 12:06 AM

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If a tuition-paying sheep in good academic standing wants to run for homecoming court... I honestly don't give a crap. Because it's HOMECOMING COURT. Maybe at Western Kentucky, a farm animal could get enough fraternity votes to win an election... But I doubt it ever happens here. And even if it does, it's HOMECOMING COURT - freakin' transient... Never mind.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 12:32 AM



CaribbeanGreen is right though...there's really no "right" to be gained here. It's just attention-mongering by a select few who are making a spectacle out of themselves and our university. This world has gotten so politically correct that rational decisions for the good of the whole are no longer possible. Instead, we cave to the otherwise ridiculous demands of the special interest groups in fear of them taking their cause to the news media. This fight isn't about Homecoming court selection at all. In fact, I'd be surprised if any gay candidates would really run for Homecoming King and Queer.
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Posted 19 November 2009 - 06:33 AM


How the hell does this affect recruiting?? Homophobia seems more like it, IMO.

It's funny no one went up in arms when Teflon Todd had his racism fiasco come through. You want to talk mud on the face of the university, look there. You want to talk negative effects on recruiting, look there. The worst stint EVER by an NT coach, and I'm obviously not only talking win/loss percentages, has occurred the last 3 years under this man. I don't think homecoming nominations will mean 2 rat turds to any potential recruit.
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